Meet Tim Wise. He is part-Jewish, rest-Northern European, an anti-white-supremacist, anti-Trump, and anti-racist. Of course, anti-racist means anti- (your enemy). Same technique as here. Flowery euphemisms. I think he would be like a more polished equivalent of Ve. Mathimaran, though not malicious. I think Tamil malice and hate is unique in the whole world in being bestial and visceral.
Anyways, he makes a good point here. About the blindness of the so-called 'good people'. Im going to improvise upon his final conclusion and take it further. The so called 'good people' deliberately turn away from the ugly stuff *in order to remain 'good people' *. In order to retain that image.
As regards Brahmin hate in TN, if at all the story comes out, a few questions may be asked :
"But how can you blame all Chettiars, and Vellala/Mudaliars for what a few people did?"
"But how can you blame all tamils for what Chettiar, Mudaliar, and Pillai have been doing."
Well, the above explanation would apply. I have my own logical argument too.
நாட்டுக்கோட்டை நகரத்தார், சைவ வெள்ளாளர், முதலியார், கோனார், நாடார், வன்னியர், தேவர், கவுண்டர்ர்களை பற்றி சாதி நீதியாக பார்பனர்களோ வேற யாரோ பேசிற்றுயிருக்க முடியுமா?
ஒரு நூற்றாண்டு வேண்டாம். ஒரு நாள் பேசியிருக்க முடியுமா?
( "Could Brahmins or other have spoken about Nattukottai Nagarathar (Chettiar), Saiva Vellalar (Pillai), Mudaliar, Konar, Nadar, Vanniyar, Thevar, Goundar along caste lines, like they have been doing?
Leave alone doing it for one hundred years, like them. Could Brahmins have spoken about them for a single day and gotten away?")
முடியாது. உன்னை பற்றி பேசினா விளைவுகள் மோசமா இருக்கும். ஆனா, என்னை பற்றி ஒரு நூற்றாண்டு பேசப்பட்டிருக்குன்னா, அதுக்கு என்ன பொருள்?
(No. If I talk about you, the consequences will be bad. But if hate speech against me has been going on for a century, what does that mean?)
அவன் என்னை பற்றி பேசுவதை தமிழ் சமூகம் கேட்டுட்டு தான் வந்திருக்கு. "நம்ம பத்தி பேசல ல" னு சொல்லி அதை ஒன்றும் கேட்காம, அந்த வெறுப்பை கேள்வி கேட்காம விட்டுவிட்டது.
(Tamil society has been drinking in the hate campaign against Brahmins. They were OK as long as no hate was directed against them. They didnt question the Brahmin hate)
அவர்களை பற்றி பேசினா எதிர்க்க தெரியுது, என் மீது கொட்டிய ஒரு நூற்றாண்டு வெறுப்பு விஷத்தை தமிழன் குடித்து வந்திருக்கிறான் என்றால், அதுக்கு என்ன பொருள்? அந்த வெறுப்பை தமிழன் அங்கீகரிக்கிறான் என்று தானே பொருள்? அது தான் உண்மை.
(If they readily pounce if anybody talks bad about their castes, but hate against my caste has been poured for a hundred years, what does that mean? It means Tamil people endorse and approve of that, right? Its the truth, too.)
செட்டியார்-முதலியார்-பிள்ளை யின் பார்ப்பன வெறுப்பு ஒரு நூற்றாண்டு வாழ்ந்து வருவதும் காரணம் - தமிழன் அதை அங்கீகரித்தான்.
(The Brahmin hate of Chettiar-Mudaliar-Pillai lives a hundred years till today because Tamil people approve of it)
தி.க. தி.மு.க ல பேசும் வெள்ளாளன், செட்டியார், சாணான், கோணனுக்கு தெரியும். அவன் பார்ப்பானை என்ன வேணா பேசலாம். அவனை சாதி ரீதியாக பேசினால் அவன் சாதிக்காரர்கள் சும்மா விட மாட்டார்கள், அவன் சாதி ஒழிப்பு பேசினாலும் அவன் சாதி அவனுக்கு பின்னால் நிற்கிறது என்று.
(The vellala, chettiar, saanan, konan etc know...that they can speak anything about Brahmins. If we attack them along caste lines, their caste people won't tolerate it. Even if they are talking against caste system itself, the speakers know that they have the strong support of their respective castes)
Nobody can say "I had nothing to do with that. I don't approve of that. Im on your side. Im a good guy". All tamils, are guilty of #drav, and Brahmin hate, and this hate was a caste hate. Finding vellalas and chettiars who don't carry any great feelings of hate doesn't change the fact.
So, Mr. Suren, you've got to be wary of people like Ekadanta more than people like Rajavel Pillai. The former are more dangerous and wily. They are the Aravindhan Neelakandans and Jeyamohans and Jeyakanthans. The so called 'good people'.
Why do these so called 'good people' take this stance?
Simple. To be 'good people'. Clean and unsullied.
They know that that hate, which they claim to oppose, is going to go on, their brethren are going to do it. But they make show of opposing it in order to be 'good people'. They may even try to genuinely try to fight it hard, but its all an escape strategy. Also, a lot of such 'good people' also automatically means that only those black shirts and other guys are bad. All others are 'good people', when the reality is that those few hatemongers speak on behalf of all others. They have tacit approval. They make show of opposing that hate in order to get a good name from the people who don't know and see their games. They are more dangerous.
+ A KEY observation. Anti-white-supremacy/anti-racism in the US (and its manifestations) and anti-savarna hate in India are similar to each other. Hate/outburst of the those who have been in the lower order against those who have been higher up, dominant, and successful.
But, the 100+ year old Brahmin hate in Tamil Nadu is *NOT* similar to this!Comparing with India, the sporadic and weak Brahmin hate in India is the hate of lower castes on savarnas, and Brahmins get it, along with the others.
But Brahmin hate of TN is not this! It is *NOT* part of the hate of lower castes on some general upper castes. It was engineered by the topmost tamil castes - Chettiar + Mudaliar + Pillai. They may not have the same privilege they had 1, 2 centuries back, but the socio-political thought in TN is defined by them even today, and it is unique in the whole world.
The savarna-hate of lower/middle groups that India knows is virtually absent in TN, and non-tamils often conflate Brahmin hate of TN along with that. This is totally different. I have never heard Chettiar, Mudaliar, Pillai, Balija Naidu being named, let alone blamed, on the political stage in TN.
'பலிஜ நாயுடுவில் இருந்த வைதீக போக்கை உடைத்துக்கொண்டு வெளியே வந்தேன்' என்று சொல்வதற்காக குறிப்பிட்டிருக்கலாம்...ஆனால். பலிஜ நாயுடு வேற யாரும் இல்ல. தமிழ்நாட்டை ஆண்ட பரம்பரை. நாயக்கர்கள். "அதனால் தான் அவர் 'பெரியார்' ".
செஞ்சி, மதுரை, தஞ்சை மட்டுமின்றி இலங்கையில் கண்டி நாயக்கர் சாம்ராஜ்ஜியங்கள் வழியாக தமிழகத்தையும் இலங்கையையும் "ஆண்ட" பரம்பரை. அதனால் தான் ராமசாமி தேர்ந்தெடுக்கப்பட்டார். அவர் சாதியினால். யாரால் தேர்ந்தெடுக்கப்பட்டார்? வெள்ளையர்களால்.
கிழக்கிந்திய கம்பெனிக்கு முதலியார்கள் "தோ-பாஷி", அதாவது இரண்டு மொழி பேசுபவர்களாக செயல்பட்டார்கள். தங்களுக்கு தேவையான அரசியல், சமூக நகர்வுகளை ஆங்கிலத்தில் சொல்லி, இந்த 'தோ-பாஷிகள்' மூலம் செயல்படுத்திக்கொண்டார்கள் ஆங்கிலேயர்கள்.
'பெரியார்' என்பது அந்த ஆள் இல்ல. செட்டியார் + முதலியார் + பிள்ளை கட்டி எழுப்பிய ஒரு பிம்பத்தின் பெயர். அந்த ஆள் செத்து பொய் 50 வருஷம் கழித்து இன்று கூட வாழ்கிறார் னு சொல்ராங்களே, அது எப்படி? மக்கள் நினைவிலா? இல்லை. இந்த நகரத்தார் + வெள்ளாளர், அல்லது செட்டியார்-முதலியார்-பிள்ளை கூட்டம் அந்த பிம்பத்தை சொல்லி சொல்லி அதை உயிர்ப்பித்து வைத்திருக்கிறது. இந்த அட்டை படம் பின்னிலிருந்து தாங்கள் அம்பு விட. அந்த ஆள் செத்து 50 வருஷம் கழித்து இல்லை...அந்த ஆள் உயிருடன் இருந்த பொழுதே அவன் பேசிய விஷயங்களும் கக்கிய வெறுப்பு விஷமும் அவனுக்கு ஊட்டப்பட்டவை தான்.
ஆண்டிமுத்து ராசாவுக்கு மட்டுமல்ல, தி.க. வில் இது வரை இருந்த 4 தலைமுறை நாடார், கோனார் மற்றும் மற்ற எல்லா தமிழ் சமூகங்களுக்கு, ஏன், பெரியார், கருணாநிதிக்கும் கூட...அவர்கள் பேசிய 'திராவிட' சமூக-அரசியல் மற்றும் அவர்கள் பார்ப்பன வெறுப்பை அவர்களுக்கு ஊட்டியது -
எனக்கு சுபவீயுடன் ஏதோ obsession இருப்பதாக நீங்கள் நிணைத்துக்கொள்ளலாம். இது எதற்காக என்றால், சுபவீ என் தலைமுறைக்கும், +1 & -1 தலைமுறைக்கும் 'திராவிட' சமூக+அரசியல் பார்வைக்கான ஒரு முக்கியமான source என்று நான் நினைக்கின்றேன்.
அதுவுமின்றி (1) 'திராவிட' மாயை, (2) தமிழ் மண்ணில் ஒரு நூற்றாண்டு பார்ப்பன வெறுப்பு மற்றும் (3) 'பெரியார்' என்ற இமாலய பிம்பத்தை கட்டமைத்து இன்று வரை அதை உயிருடன் வைத்திருப்பதே நாட்டுக்கோட்டை நகரத்தார் மற்றும் வெள்ளாளர்கள் தான் என்று நான் கூறி வந்திருக்கேன். 'திராவிடம்'னா என்ன னு நாட்டுக்கோட்ட செட்டி சொன்னா தான் திமுக காரனுக்கே தெரியும்.
அதை பற்றி பேசும் மற்ற சாரங்கபாணி கோனார் (வீரமணி) போன்ற ஆட்களுக்கு சொல்லி கொடுத்ததே நகரத்தார்-வெள்ளாளர் தான். ஏன், பெரியாருக்கு பின்னாலயே ஒரு வெள்ளாள கூட்டம் இருந்தது. பெரியாரின் பார்ப்பன வெறுப்பே வெள்ளாளர்களின் வெறுப்பு தான். பெரியாரே கருவி தான். கருணாநிதியும் கூட. சுபவீயின் தந்தை தான் கருணாநிதிக்கு குரு. நாட்டுக்கோட்டை நகரத்தார் + வெள்ளாளர் = திராவிடம்.
கீழே இருக்கும் blogpostஐ படியுங்கள். சுப வீ என்ன சொல்கிறார் என்றால்... "கீதையில் 'வருணம்' பற்றி மட்டும் தானே இருக்கு. அதில் சாதி பத்தியோ, அல்லது அது பிறப்பில் தீர்மானிக்க படுகிறது என்பது போன்ற செய்திகள் இல்லியே" என்று மட்டும் திரும்ப திரும்ப சில விஷ, விஷம பார்ப்பான் சக்திகள் சொல்கிறார்களாம். இதை மட்டும் சொல்லி ஒரு பெரிய உண்மையை மறைக்கிறார்களாம். அந்த கூட்டம் எப்பொழுதுமே அப்படி தானே, நீங்கள் எண்ணி பார்க்கலாம்.
"கீதையில் சாதி பற்றி, அது பிறப்பில் தீர்மானிக்கப்படுகிறது என்பது பற்றி பேசப்படவில்லை என்றாலும், நடைமுறையில் என்ன நடக்கிறது? பிறப்பில் தானே சாதி தீர்மானிக்க படுகிறது? அதற்கு பிறகு அது மாற்றக்கூடிய ஒன்றாக இந்து மாதத்தில் இல்லையே" என்று சொல்லி நாட்டுக்கோட்டை செட்டி தன் குமுறலை வெளிப்படுத்துறாப்ல.
பாவம். செட்டியாரா பொறந்துட்டா ஒரு ஒடுக்கப்பட்ட, நசுக்கப்பட்ட பிற்படுத்தப்பட்ட, ஏழை-எளிய நாட்டுக்கோட்டை நகரத்தாராகவே தான் இருக்கனும். பார்பனராக மாற்றிக்கொள்ளவே முடியாது. அந்த வயித்தெரிச்சல் தான் திராவிட இயக்கத்தை உருவாக்கியது.
ஆனால் இந்த வாதம் எவ்வளவு பிழையானது பாருங்கள். "கீதை ல, மனுஸ்மிருதி ல, வேதத்தில் ஒன்னு இருக்கு. ஆனா நடைமுறையில் என்ன இருக்கு?" என்று கேட்டு துப்பாக்கியை மறுபடியும் நம் பக்கம் திருப்புறாரு.
ஆனால். ஒருததன் நம்ம மேல ஒரு குற்றச்சாட்டு வெக்கிறான். நம்ம திருப்பி "டேய் இல்லியே டா, இது தப்பா இருக்கே டா, நிறைய இடத்துல இடிக்கிதே டா" னு சொன்னா...மறுபடியும் அவன் சொன்னதை கொஞ்சம் மாத்திட்டு, மறுபடியும் நம்மையே குத்தம் சொன்னா எப்புடி??
"சரி அப்ப ஒரு ஏழு போடு" என்ற விவேக்கின் 'சாமி' பட காமெடி மாதிரி...
அப்ப நாம புரிஞ்சுக்க வேண்டியது...அவன் நோக்கம் விவாதத்துக்குள்ளாயிருக்கும் அந்த விஷயம் அல்ல. அவன் நோக்கம் நம்மை சிக்க வைப்பது!
சரியான பதில் எது என்று எனக்கு தெரியாது. ஆனா நீ சொல்லி வந்தது தப்புன்னு தெரியும். நீ சொல்றது தப்புன்னு சொல்ல சரியான பதில் தெரிஞ்சிருக்கணும் னு அவசியம் இல்ல. (Actually, எனக்கு தெரியும், ஆனா அதை உங்க கூட விவாதிக்க மாட்டேன், ஏனெனில் நீங்கள் கபடர்கள். வஞ்சகம், சூழ்ச்சி, வெறுப்பு, வினை நிறைந்தது இந்த தமிழ் கூட்டம்)
கீதையில், வேதத்தில், வகுக்கப்பட்ட 'வருணத்திலிருந்து' தான் சாதி வந்தது என்று நகரத்தார்-வெள்ளாளர் (திராவிட) இயக்கம் கூறி வந்திருப்பது தவறு. நகரத்தார்-வெள்ளாளர் (திராவிட) இயக்கத்தின் நோக்கம் சாதி ஒழிப்பு மற்றும் சமத்துவம் கிடையவே கிடையாது.
"சாதியும் சமத்துவமின்மையும் வந்தது பார்ப்பனர்களால்"னு சொல்லி மக்களுக்கு பார்ப்பன வெறுப்பை ஊட்டி விடுவது தான் இவர்கள் நோக்கமே. அதை தான் செட்டியார்+முதலியார்+பிள்ளை ஒரு நூற்றாண்டாக தமிழ்நாட்டில் செய்து வந்திருக்கிறார்கள். திருமா பண்டாரம். வெள்ளாளர்களின் பூசாரி. திருமாவுக்கும் தி.க. சாணான், கோனான் எல்லோருக்கும் சொல்லி குடுப்பது செட்டியார் + முதலியார் + பிள்ளை தான். வெள்ளாளன்+நகரத்தான் அங்கே ஏத்தி விட்டதை தான் திருமா இறக்கினார்.
"கீதையில் சொன்னது ஒன்று, அது அவ்வளவு தீமையானது அன்று, அனால் நடைமுறையில் அது மாறிவிட்டது"ன்னா...அதை எப்படி பார்ப்பனர்கள் கிட்ட கேட்க முடியும்?
முதலில் நூல்களில் சொல்லப்படுவது, எழுதப்படுவதிலிருந்து தான் நடைமுறை உருவாகிறது என்ற கூற்றே தவறு. நடைமுறை என்பது யதார்த்தம். எழுதுவது யார் வெனா என்ன வெனா எழுதலாம். எழுதி வைப்பது எல்லாம் magic pencilல் எழுதினால் கூட நடைமுறை ஆகிவிட போவது இல்லை.
எது சரி னு எனக்கு தெரியல. ஆனா நீ சொன்னது தப்பு. ஆனா அது irrelevant ஏனெனில் சாதி ஒழிப்பு உன் நோக்கமே இல்ல, to begin with. உன் நோக்கம் பார்ப்பன வெறுப்பு. அதனால் தான் நீ சொல்லும் விஷயங்களில் ஓட்டை கண்டுபிடித்துக்கொண்டே இருந்தாலும் மறுபடியும் துப்பாக்கியை என் மீது திருப்புற.
இரண்டாயிரம் ஆண்டுகளாக வேண்டாம்....கீதையையும் வேதத்தையும் இன்னிக்கே கூட யாரும் படிப்பதில்லை. கள்ளனும் மறவனும் நாடாரும் கொணரும் முதலியானும் நாயக்கனும் கீதையை படிச்சுப்புட்டா சாதி பாக்க ஆரம்பிச்சான்? அதுலயும்..."வேதத்திலிருந்து சாதி வந்துச்சு"ன்றீங்க. ஆனா, " 'வேதத்தை சூத்திரன் கேட்டால் அவன் காதில் ஈயத்தை காச்சி ஊத்து'னு பாப்பான் எழுதி வெச்சுட்டான்"னும் நீங்களே தான் சொல்றீங்க. இது ரெண்டும் முரணா இல்லியா டா? 😂😆😄
வேதத்தை படிக்க விடல. ஆனா "வேதத்தில் இப்படி போட்ருக்கு, அதை நீ பின்பற்று" னு சொன்னானா? கதை கட்டுறதுன்னா கட்டிக்கிட்டே இருக்கலாம். சொல்றவனுக்கு நகரத்தார்-வெள்ளாளர் போல அளவில்லா வன்மமும் வெறுப்பும் இருந்து, அதை கேட்கும் கூட்டம் தமிழ் கூட்டம் மாதிரி கூறு இல்லாத கூட்டமா இருந்தா போதும். எவ்வளவு வெனா கதை கட்டலாம். அனால் இவை வரலாற்று நிகழ்வுகள். கீதை, வருணம், மனு, சாதி இவைகளுக்குள் இருக்கும் தொடர்பு பற்றிய வரலாற்று ஆவணங்கள் இருக்கா? நகரத்தார்-வெள்ளாளர் இயக்கமும் பெரியாரும் சுட்டதே அம்பேத்கரிடம் தான். அம்பேத்காரிடமே இல்லை.
சாதி ஒழிப்பு சமத்துவம் உங்கள் நோக்கமே இல்லை. உங்கள் நோக்கம் "சாதியை கொண்டாந்தது பாப்பான்" என்று சொல்லி மக்களுக்கு பார்ப்பன வெறுப்பை ஊட்டுவது தான்...ஆனாலும். இந்த train of thoughtன் கடைசி வரை செல்ல வேண்டும் என்பதற்காக சொல்கிறேன்....
சரி. வேதத்தில், கீதையில், மனுவில் "சாதி என்று ஒன்னு இருக்கணும். அது பிற்பப்பில் தீர்மானிக்கப்பட்டுவிட வேண்டும். அதற்கு பின்பு மாற கூடாது" என்று எழுதியிருக்குண்ணே வெச்சுப்போம். மக்கள் அதை படித்து தான் சாதி வந்ததுன்னே வெச்சுப்போம். அதற்காக நீங்கள் யாரை குறை சொல்வீர்கள்? எழுதி வைத்த பார்ப்பனர்களை மற்றும் குறை சொல்வது சரியா?
ஒருவனுக்கு ஒரு விஷயம் வேண்டாம் என்றால்...சாஸ்திரத்தில் அதை எழுதி வைத்து அவன் மேல் திணிக்க முடியுமா? ஒரு விஷயத்தை ஒருவன் ஏற்கிறான் என்றால், அவனுக்கு அது வேண்டும் என்று தானே பொருள்? இதில் எழுதி வைத்த பார்ப்பனர்களை மற்றும் எப்படி குறை சொல்ல முடியும்?
"அறியாமையால் சாதி பார்ப்பது" என்று ஒன்னு இருக்கா? இருக்க முடியுமா?
"Only we are reading Manusmriti and Bhagavat Gita (chatur-varnam maya...) again and again. Even they (Brahmins) don't read it"
Suba Veerapandian is the most important Dravidian speaker today. His caste, Nattukottai Nagarathars, and Vellalars are the creators of Brahmin hate in Tamil Nadu, and they have kept that hate alive and burning for one hundred years.
Chettiars and Mudaliars translated Manusmriti into tamil in 1919. Dravidian Movement and Brahmin hate was built by this same group. 'Dravidian' politics begins after introduction of election system via Dyarchy, which was introduced in 1918. They translated MS in preparation for their politics of 'social justice'. But they didn't aid in bringing about social justice. That happened automatically, everywhere. Instead, by translating MS, they created an artificial social injustice, against which reality of that time could be contrasted! This works only in Lemuria.
This is the copy of the translation. My rough translation of what's written:
God's Grace.
Manu Dharma Sasthiram
______________________________________________
On Account of Being in Sanskrit, it has Been Useless to all Except the few Sanskrit Experts.
Therefore, With a View to Make it Useful to One and Everyone,
(Names of few places)
Irama Nujasaariyar
was requested by Pudhuvai Na. Muthuranga Chettiar
to Produce This Translation of the Dharma-Book and Thus Make it Available to all.
Edited by
Muthukkovindha Chettiar(Brother of Above Person)
Bu. Ka. Subbaraya Mudaliar
Printed at : Sri Padmanaba Vilas, Chennai
_______________
1919
And, this group,
Nattukottai Nagarathar (Chettiar)
Saiva Vellalar (Pillai)
Mudaliar
have been drilling 'Manusmriti' into tamil people's heads non-stop for one hundred years since. This might all be very very hard to convey to non-tamils. Even recently, in 2020, there was a frenzy around Manusmriti in TN when Thirumavalavan spoke about it. (Thiruma is from the pandaram caste, the priests of the vellalas). The way Manusmriti has been drilled and put to use in Politics in Tamil country is very very hard to convey to others. And, the malice of Chettiar, Mudaliar and Pillai, is very very hard to convey too. A lot is lost in translation. Just notice the wordings. "on account of having been useless", "with a view to make it useful to all".
Do you see the malice and the *evil smile*😈 behind the above lines? It was brought into the sphere of public attention in Tamil country via the route of religion, as "A book of dharma", but was put to use by the political side. Both the parts were carried out by Chettiar, Mudaliar, Pillai. Invoking the completely fictional Manusmriti, from the 'religion' camp, and boiling with rage and hate on seeing it, from the 'politics' camp. And they have been feeding that boiling rage and hate to tamil people from that political camp for more than a hundred years. In truth, it was all their doing, but Brahmins are blamed. And, they did it out of their personal hate for Brahmins. The political need for Brahmin hate is largely impersonal. It was required by the British, because of Congress. But Tamil Country's Brahmin hate is extremely visceral and personal (not impersonal and political, like in other places) because of Chettiar + Mudaliar + Pillai. Their hate and worldview is what makes 'politics' into 'Dravidian Politics'. I don't have a problem with just 'politics', no matter how much hate there is in it. I have a problem when the above group makes it 'Dravidian-'.
Translating Manusmriti was the 'social injustice' Chettiar+Mudaliar+Pillai artificially created, to create a contrast with the past, so that the reality would seem like 'social justice'. They didn't change anything in reality. They didn't bring about any special change that didn't happen elsewhere in India as a result of modernism.
They have been telling tamils "Brahmins enslaved us all and denied us jobs and education for 2000 years in the name of Manusmriti. It was the Dravidian Movement and Periyar who freed us from this 2000 yrs of Brahmin oppression."
But of course, they know that "only we are reading MS again and again. Nobody else does."
This is the source of all Brahmin hate in Tamil country for one hundred + years. Chettiar + Mudaliar + Pillai.
Please also see this video to understand this part of the Chettiar-Mudaliar-Pillai (Dravidian) maze. Manusmriti is an important part of Dravidian Propaganda. (The subtitles get messed up at the most important point in the vid, around 7 min...but only the sync. The content is there)
Dravidian Movement and the 100-yr old Brahmin hate in Tamil country were constructed by the most hinduest of all tamils - Chettiar + Mudaliar + Pillai, not by some unseen, powerful 'Breaking India' forces.
Aravindhan Neelakandan, who co-authored 'Breaking India' with a Punjabi NRI who probably doesn't even understand tamil, is a vellala. His men built Brahmin hate and Dravidian Movement, but he has been going around, saying that 'Breaking India Forces' did it. This is to bury the mountains of truths, and take people on a wild goose chase, and divert the attention from the real criminals - his men.
There's a quote by Stephen Hawking.
“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
Aravindhan Neelakandan Pillai is filling people with false knowledge, feeding them cock and bull stories about 'Breaking India forces', 'church', making them think that they already know about Dravidian Movement. Those forces do exist, but Chettiar-Mudaliar-Pillai (Dravidian) Movement, and its 100-yr old Brahmin hate in Tamil country was not from there.
ஆம். முதலில் தமிழ்நாட்டில் இருக்கும் அத்துனை வன்னியர் பெண்களுக்கும் பறையர் ஆண்களுடன் சாதி மறுப்பு திருமணம் செய்து வைக்க வேண்டும்.
'சாதி மறுபபு திருமணம்' என்றாலே அது வேர வேர சாதியினர் சேர்த்த ஆணுக்கும் பெண்ணுக்கும் திருமணம் என்று தானே பொருள்? வேர வேர விஷயங்கள் ஒன்னானா அதுக்கு 'கலப்ப'ன்னு தானே பெயர்? பெரிய அறிவு கொழுந்துன்னு நெணப்பு...
அடுத்து சொல்லுங்க. "ஏன் ஒரே சாதியை சேர்ந்தவர்களாக இருந்து, ஆனா சாதி உணர்வு இல்லாத ஒரு ஆணும் பெண்ணும் திருமணம் செய்தால், அது சாதி மறுப்பு திருமணம் இல்லையா? அதுவும் சாதி மறுப்பு திருமணம் தான். அவர்களை அந்த சாதிக்காரர்களாக நீங்களம் சமூகமும் தான் பார்க்கிறீர்கள். அவர்களுக்கு அந்த உணர்வு இல்லை. ஒரே சாதியை சேர்ந்த ஆணும் பெண்ணும் கூட சாதி மறுப்பு திருமணம் பண்ணிக்கலாம்."
தமிழர்கள் என்ன ___ வெனா செய்ய/சொல்ல கூடியவர்கள். இந்த இனத்துக்கு அபத்தத்தில் limit ஏ இல்லை.
It's nothing but the cause-effect relationship between Brahmins, and caste system and inequality. Being so central to Dravidian Propaganda, this post too, shall be long :(.
Pls watch this short clip. Suba. Veerapandian says that Hinduism and caste system are inseparable. Because, apparently, caste system originates from the Purusha Sukta of Rig Veda, which is supposed to be the 1st Veda, or the most important. A few observations:-
None of the vedas, puranas and other scriptures they list out mention the word 'jati', or specify that jati, or varna is determined and fixed at birth.
AFAIK, none of the source mention the word 'dalit' or the various words for 'untouchable', too. They have only 4 varnas.
Even otherwise, just like the agamas of Tamil Nadu, scriptures were all written by Man. A scripture cannot stop you from sitting or walking in a particular place. Scriptures are inanimate. Saying "caste/inequality came from XYZ scripture/book/group" is fundamentally an unintelligent argument.
But then...we have to take cognizance of one thing here. There are real problems in Indian society. Real problems of jati, patriarchy, untouchability, etc. Discussing these problems is one thing, discussing them with Chettiar-Mudaliar-Pillai (Dravidian) movement is another thing. It is futile to discuss all this with them because they do not really care about eradication of caste or inequality. Nagarathar-Vellalar, a.k.a. Chettiar-Mudaliar-Pillai, a.k.a 'Dravidian' Movement uses "Annihilation/opposition of caste system' only as a euphemism, or code word, for its ugly ugly Brahmin hate.
So, acknowledging existence of caste system and disenfranchisement does not make their hate Ok. It does not automatically mean that their Brahmin hate is justified. We have to question their means to the end, and question their fundamental reading of the problems on the ground. Chettiar-Mudaliar-Pillai (Dravidian) Movement said :-
All problems are created by Caste System.
Brahmins created Caste System.
Ergo, Brahmins are the cause for all the problems in tamil society.
This is basic processor of Dravidian Propaganda. All our arguments will be sucked into a whirlpool, and subject to this input->output process. They will acknowledge the existence of your problems, and jump from there to "yes yes yes yes, see, caste comes from..."
According to this lemurian system, the feeling that "my caste is superior to other castes" is defined as "Brahminism", or, parpaneeyam, or aariyam (aryanism), because this feeling "that my caste is superior" originated from the brahmins. And as long as this Brahminism existed among Brahmins alone, the problem was manageable. But then, at one point, this feeling of "my caste is superior" trickled down to the others too, and thus, a hierarchy was created. The result of the trickling down of this feeling to others was that the whole society became casteist, and a hierarchical. According to this system, 'Brahminism', or parpaneeyam, is a synonym for 'caste system'. This was done by British authors too, equating caste and hinduism and 'brahmanism', but in error, not malice, like Chettiar-Mudaliar-Pillai movement.. They thought of caste system as a fetish of the hindu society. It is not so. Caste was not a deliberate creation of some group of people. Caste exists everywhere.
Please watch below clip.
He says Brahmins are responsible for the casteism of Chettiar, Mudaliar, Pillai. Btw, Suba. Veerapandian, the bad cop, is chettiar, and Madan Ravichandran, the good cop, is Mudaliar. Even assuming that scriptures spoke and dictated jati, and its affixation at birth, isn't it wrong to blame Brahmins alone for it? It is absurd to say that "the feeling that 'my caste is superior' originated from Brahmins".
Let's assume Brahmins postulated caste, and people accepted it. But are Brahmins alone to blame? What about those other people? Would we accept something if we did not find use in it, if we don't want it ourself?
Even assuming the scriptures set down jati, and that Brahmins did it, it is not right to blame Brahmins alone. The blame must be distributed equally. Actually, it should be more skewed towards the dominant non-Brahmins, WHO ARE THE ONES DOING THE BRAHMIN HATE, in TN!
So, there exists no direct cause-effect relationship between Brahmins, holy scriptures, and the caste system that is the reality. Caste system did not spring from religion and holy scriptures, but leans on them. To blame Brahmins alone is atrocious. Chettiar, Mudaliar, Pillai only used this as a respectable and morally-justified veneer for their own personal, ugly Brahmin hate.
This is the first part. The Brahmin hate of Chettiar-Mudaliar-Pillai (Dravidian) Movement stands on loose ground.
Dr. B.R. Ambedkar is far harder to counter. All of Dravidian Movement's stuff is from Ambedkar. The transfer was arranged by the British. Ambedkar himself was molded by the British, but he has a far greater degree of honesty and objectivity.
BRA doesn't say "Brahmins created caste system". He is not so dumb. He says 'caste exists everywhere, but Brahmins made it more rigid by becoming endogamous. This was imitated by other castes in line. This affected fluidity of caste system'.
Fair point. Now, he himself says that imitation of behavior and customs of people in higher social status is a universal behavior. Anyways, my response to that point would be :-
There is no proof that Brahmins became endogamous first. Dr. BRA doesn't substantiate his claims.
Even today, a huge % of marriages in the Islamic world are consanguineous, meaning, within immediate blood relations. Right from Saudi Arabia to Iran/Iraq, to Pakistan. Pakistan is supposed to have highest % of consanguineous marriages. There's a custom in Pak called 'watta satta'. -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watta_satta. "The custom involves the simultaneous marriage of a brother-sister pair from two households...". If you think about it, consanguinity is one or many notches above the caste system on the endogamy scale. We know about anti-miscegenation laws in the USA. Even today, only 15% of the marriages in USA are inter-racial/ethnic. In India, consanguinity is highest in south.
I believe endogamy or miscegenation is a function of population density and diversity. Casteism is a derivative of racism, and human beings are all casteist, and race-ist, as a rule. It's not a choice that we can make. I do not believe that castes became endogamous became Brahmins became so. I think endogamy is a different phenomenon altogether, and I believe that society became endogamous as a whole, at a particular time frame. Resistance to racial mixing, and, eagerness to it, are general human traits. Resistance of those whose genes put them in a good place, and eagerness of those whose genes put them in a lower grade in society. I believe endogamy is governed by natural factors.
So, neither did Brahmins 'create' a caste system, nor could they (alone) have made it more rigid. I will try to dig for more points/debates to substantiate the latter point. Caste system is not something that can be 'created', whether by Brahmins, or by anybody, using some set of scriptures, or rules. That is fundamentally an absurd notion. Further, it was never the intention of Chettiar-Mudaliar-Pillai (Dravidian) Movement to end caste system, or to ameliorate it. They need caste the most, and it might seem contradictory, but they need 'Brahmin' and his superiority in caste ladder the most. They have kept notions of Brahmin superiority alive by attacking it! Its a love-hate relationship.
Just want to impress upon the fact that we have to deal with 2 things : The caste/inequality problem, and 'caste/inequality problem, the chettiar-mudaliar-pillai (dravidian) way'! Need to question their earnestness to solve the problem, and their means to end/ameliorate caste system.
This is simply the translation of this piece written by Thiruchi Selventhiran who is an important Periyarist (Don't know whether to put him in Congress or DMK brackets. Its all the same, but different, in TN. Maybe ill expand in some other post)
1. It is proved without doubt that Kamaraj won purely because of Periyar's and DK's help. Rajaji had publicly raised the issue of 'Congress' cozying up with DK and Periyar around 1957 elections. But by then, 'Congress' had become a completely Dravidian Party using the facade of the old Congress brand (just like the vellalas are doing today with SwarajyaMag? A wolf in sheep's clothing.)
2. There definitely was factionalism within Congress, and Periyar supported the Kamaraj side. He also says the other side is the Bhaktavatsala Mudaliar side. Bhaktavatsalam and other Mudaliars spoke and wrote about temples. Periyar claimed to oppose that side.
3. A shift of Periyar and DK from Congress to DMK after Kamaraj Congress's loss in 1967. Selventhiran and many DK cadre had been sympathetic to DMK for a long time. If we connect all the dots and read between the lines, it is quite easy and obvious. The nadars and vanniyars and other non-dominant castes had jumped from Congress to DMK, because of the Mudaliars' oppressive behaviour in Congress. One important thing to note here is...Bhaktavatsalam was Thondaimandala Saiva Vellala/Mudaliar caste, and Annadurai was from the Kaikolar/Sengundhar Mudaliar caste. Though they both share the mudaliar title, the former look down upon the latter.
4. So, it is obvious that, both within 'Congress', and DMK, and between DMK and 'Congress' the conflict was basically friction between castes. The parties come later. The parties were used by the castes. Those castes/layers are, in my view
Brahmins
Vanniyar, Nadar
Kaikolar and Thondaimandala Mudaliars
Mudaliar/Chettiar/Pillai/Balija
Other groups like Udayars, Konars, Thevar, Goundar chose their own sides from this main rooster fight.
Brahmins were at the helm in Congress only till 1954, till Rajaji's forced resignation. After that, the Mudaliars, Nadars and Vanniyars shamelessly held on to the 'Congress' brand, but in effect, it was a Dravidian Party.
It indulged in things which DMK and #drav would later call 'Brahminical' because the mudaliars wanted it. So, the Mudaliars/Vellalas in DK, DMK would blame Brahmins for the acts of the Mudaliars/Vellalas within 'Congress', and this would be passed on to the crowd, which would drink this in, and repeat and improvise upon this.. This is the 'ஆத்திகவாதி நாத்திகவாதி' (theist and 'denier-of-god') trick of Chettiar-Mudaliar-Pillai (Dravidian) Movement. Nobody bothers to unearth this because they are not the ones under fire, which is why I say, this is a task for Brahmins alone.
There was, initially, Brahmins vs Mudaliars/Vellala/Balija friction within Congress. Then, there was Vellala/Mudaliar vs Nadar+Vanniyar brushings. Periyar sided with the latter, as we can see. So, as long as Kamaraj was at the helm, Vanniyar, Nadar, etc had the upper hand, with Periyar's support.
With the coming of Bhaktavatsala Mudaliar into the scene, these guys lost their space, and they fought back. They eyed longingly at Dravida Mudaliar Kazhagam. Maybe they decided Annadurai Mudaliar was better than Bhaktavatsala Mudaliar. DMK too, had lots of Thondaimandala Mudaliars. It was not fully a sub-alt camp. It was only less elite in comparison to 'Congress', or, wanted to portray itself as such.
After Vanniyar, Nadar shifted to DMK, and Congress lost, Periyar shifted there too. The friction was now shifted to a new boat, DMK. With Anna's death, the sub-alt groups, with the help of Periyar, 'arab-and-the-camel'ed the mudaliars in DMK.
Moral of the story : Without understanding the caste equations, we wouldn't understand the politics. And nobody will tell us all this. We have to glean it from the events. Connect the dots, and read between the lines.
Annadurai and Dravida Mudaliar Kazhagam deliberately misconstrued the word "may". Lol! Bunch of buffoons. Even Lal Bahadur Shastri gang promised they won't push Hindi even though they were ardent supporters.
This habit of using college students as a political rowdy force was first started by DMK in 1960's, I guess. Can you imagine. 50000 fricking thousand college students. This was not DMK vs Hindi or North. This was DMK (& the nadars, vanniyars) vs Bhaktavatsala Mudaliar. Nadars, Vanniyars had maybe become too cozy in "Congress". Bhaktavatsalam and other Mudaliars probably endured the showcasing of kamaraj nadar only to get popular support.
Even in the Parliament, only 41 people were probably in favor of Hindi imposition. The bare truth is that Hindi was never imposed, even in 1938, in Rajaji's rule.
In 1938, only "teaching Hindi" was compulsory...sitting in the classes. It was not necessary to pass the Hindi paper to go to the next class. This too, was only in 125 schools.
As regards 1938, I think there were other factors at play. The Nagarathar-Vellalar (Dravidian) movement was orchestrated by the British to thwart the freedom struggle of the Congress, and to cement their rule in India. They used the local powers for this. The local powers already had Brahmin hate smoldering in them, so they gladly acquiesced.
We *always* have to see the timing of the events, pre-independence. Various Chettiar/Vellala women anointed Venktata Ramasamy with the sobriquet 'Periyar' in late 1938. Hitler invaded Poland on Sep 1, 1939, thereby initiating the WW2. But, Germany had already started rearmament and conscription by mid 1930's, violating the treaty of Versailles. Churchill and others had already been warning that war was around, so...the British were anticipating many things, and I guess this level-upping of their on-the-ground machinery was part of their plans for war. Their loyal dog, South Indian Liberal Federation, had failed the 1937 elections too, so they were without any hold. Many people have said that the GoI Act 1935 itself showed that British rule was going to end soon. We have to see from the war PoV. Some military head of UK once stated that the British could not have won both world wars without India's support.
So, the timing is important. We need to dig more into this. Do-bashis were interpreters to the British. What did the British relay to the do-bashis? Did they only say that they wanted certain effects to be realized, or did they themselves plan and dictate everything?
But this, the anti-hindi protests of 1938, definitely had to do with WW2, that much is certain.
We can forgive 30's and 60's because they at least contained the words "language", "hindi", etc. Rajiv Gandhi's 1986 policy spoke nothing at all about language. He just introduced Navodaya schools. But "DMK claimed" that hindi would be compulsory in Navodaya schools. Even assuming that to be true, it is still way too far from "hindi imposition".
I once heard Suba Veerapandia Chettiar recount an incident. Don't know whether is really happened or, or, and whether #drav "arranged" this incident for DMK's 1986 hindi opposition. Apparently, there was some conference happening in Chennai or somewhere in TN. One of the delegates, who was north Indians apparently asked why there were no name plates in hindi, and threw away the board, or something of that sort. "அந்த ஒரு சிறிய சம்பவம் உருவாக்கிய தீப்பொறி தான் பெரும் தீ பிழம்பாக மாறியது". (That small incident created a spark that became a raging fire).
Aama Aama, if its lemuria, they can create a spark out of anything, and make it into a big fire, and keep it going. Hindi imposition, like most of Nagarathar-Vellalar (Dravidian) movement's highly publicized, romanticized dramas, is a full 100% lie. NEET drama is happening right in front of our eyes.
P.S. - M. Bhaktavatsalam Mudaliar, the CM at the time of the anti-hindi agitiations of Dravida Mudaliar Kazhagam, has written a book called 'The Absurdity of Anti-Hindi Policy'.
Or, should I say, the new game plan of the ex-servants and beneficiaries of the Nagarathar-Vellalar (Dravidian) movement. One hundred years is too long for anything. Tamils are desperate for change, it seems. This drama is stretching on too much. After its over, you're going nowhere. After this, life goes in reverse for tamils. Your hate is going to descend on you tenfold, no matter where in the world you are. (Post is slightly long, but important for tam-brahms)
" 'கடவுள்'னா நா இயற்கையை சொல்றேன்" (By 'God', I mean nature)- Senior Journalist Mani. ப்பா room போட்டு யோசிச்சிருப்பான் போலிருக்கு. What an intellectual. Amazed. This is just 'atheism' for now, and is Ok. It only begins to get outrageous when it becomes the 'கடவுள் மறுப்பு' (denial-of-god) of chettiar-mudaliar-pillai (dravidian) movement.
Apparently, the event, or, the turn of events that caused this outburst was...The new TN BJP head Annamalai Kuppusamy apparently said that TN BJP will soon 'discpline' the media in TN and teach them good manners or something like that. To quote Mani, Annamalai said "Media will soon be in our hands, and *this is why L. Murugan has been appointed as minister of broadcast/telecom*."
Tactless, of course.
Mani then rants and laments about how BJP has mutilated the media in India, and this is a problem not only in TN, but all over the country. Kinda agree with it.
This is the background. Some of my thoughts on this. My post about the outer global political tectonic shifts within which #drav happened was written at the time Annamalai entered TN BJP. My 6th sense is in good shape. The pact between goundans and BJP kinda stares you in the face. Konars, don't know, for now. There were whispers that sathankulam incident was konars vs nadars. I thought nadars were cozy in TN BJP/RSS.
SILF, TN INC, DMK, TN BJP...they have a history of biting the hand that feeds them. Wouldn't blame them. If they fall, they fall on dalits. They need to do anything and everything to stay up. Until later part of 20th century, nadars and vanniyars, the chief slaves of the Nagarathar-Vellalar (Dravidian) movement. A logical question could be asked "If you (Periyar, #drav) wanted to eradicate caste, why didn't you simply start at the bottom? Paraiyar, pallar, sakkiliar"?
There can be many answers, many of them non-malicious, and efficiency-related, but the reason why Periyar and #drav did was... they never bothered about caste-annihilation. That was a euphemism for the brahmin hate for the topmost tamil castes, and a flowery idea for politics. They just used it to rouse and invoke emotions. They didnt empower dalits because, then, the whole society would have discarded them, because the whole society is casteist.
Instead, they empowered the ones *just* above the dalits - chiefly, Vanniyar, Nadar.
In other words, they invested where they thought RoI would be highest. To deserve that empowerment, you needed to rattle the cages like anything, which vanniyar + nadar had been doing, for half a century before Dravidian Movement began. (and you needed to have numerical strength for that) They were clamoring for more space. The elites of tamil lands had been watching all this helplessly. They wanted to, but couldn't do anything to stop the empowerment that happened as a result of modernization.
So, instead of opposing, they did what Regenerative Braking does in automobiles. They slowed them down, and derived energy out that. This way, the goal of the project was to prolong their old privilege for as long as possible.
So, vanniyar+nadar had numerical strength, and were desirous of upward social mobility. The upper groups had no other choice but to accommodate them. Today's TN BJP is filled with those same groups that kept Dravidian Movement alive, plus the Goundars. Maybe I see some thevars too, but that's not the point.
The point is...the way tamil criminals are changing the narrative, and will continue to do so. They will bring the new narrative of Hindu vs anti-Hindu, and actively destroy the old narrative.
Brahmins of TN may think "but isn't that a good thing? Isn't that our objective? To make #drav, and Brahmin hate stop?"
Not for me. I was never worried about destroying the Dravidian Movement because it has to die anyways. Making the Brahmin hate stop was never my goal because I believe the worst is already over. My objective is to bring it out, and show it to the world. And then let them form opinions about what kind of people tamils, and Chettiar, Mudaliar, Pillai, are. It's complicated, and Im not saying it here. Just showing that hate to non-tamils is my goal and its the hardest part. India"
Im worried about Brahmin hate in TN first, and Hindutva, BJP, RSS, India, Hinduism, Congress next. Because none of them know my plight, and probably care about it too. Not only that, there is a great danger of outsiders completely misunderstanding the milieu in TN. Tamil criminals will not bother to impart correct understanding too. For ex, Tejasvi Surya says "We will destroy the anti-hindu Dravidian Movement, and bring hindutva/hinduism in TN".
Amul baby doesnt know what he's talking about. What does "destroying Dravidian Movement and planting the saffron flag in TN" mean? That's was senior journalist Mani is warning about.
Is it like the changing of guards at wagha border? agni satti out, thamarai in?
What is the change? Are we banishing the bandit/thief, and installing our policeman in the village? Nope.
The policeman *IS* the bandit, but non-tamils don't get this message. They are not aware that most of the pallis, saanans, konans, goundans who are active in TN BJP today are the very groups that helped keep Nagarathar-Vellalar (Dravidian) movement alive, and benefitted from it. There are 'breaking india' crackheads everywhere. They think a bunch of obscure, powerful anti-hindu people are running Dravidian Movement, and that hindus have to destroy them. Why don't Indians stop thinking in terms of mythology? Destroy the devil of Dravidian movement, and rescue the goddess of hinduism, and plant our good guys, the hindu tamils there, eh? Those hindu tamil monsters were the devils too. Dravidian movt and Brahmin hate was built and kept alive by the most hinduest of all tamils. India doesn't know this.
But this is what is being suggested all the time. Replace the bad guy 'A' with the good guy 'B'.
But what if A=B? What if...A was a bad guy all along, but now he finds that being bad is not going to be so profitable, and, more importantly, tolerated, and welcomed. Dravidian movement and its Brahmin hate lived for a century because palli, saanan, konan, goundan and tamils in general approved of it.
But now, the crowd is restless. #drav lived because tamils approved of it. #drav is in rocky waters because tamils don't approve of it whole heartedly now. Now, they want new toys. A, who was tolerated and hailed by tamils, is being criticized for being A. So, A undergoes personality changes to become B.
The criminal behavior here is... B too talks the language of India. As if A was a different person!!! 😂😆😅
India doesn't know, Tejasvi Surya doesn't know that A = B. But A, and the tamil crowd knows, right? This is how criminal they are, and this is my problem. Tamil crowd will start speaking of things differently. Different from how they were. They will bury their history entirely.
I think this can be taken as an official confirmation.
THERE ARE NO INTELLECTUAL FOUNDATIONS OF HINDUTVA!
70% of the talk is obsessed with muslims and islam, and the remaining % of the time when they discuss Golwalkar, Savarkar, etc, the anchor asks "But, Aakar, there is nothing here", and the interviewee laughs and says "Yes. Its the bitter truth". Something like that. Just one small interesting segment about organizational ability of Golwalkar and how he expanded RSS during the 30 yrs he led it. But nothing at all about intellectual foundations. Because there is none.
So, what is it that Senior Journalist Mani fears will enter TN? Hindutva is empty even in Nagpur. I have my own thoughts about that. To brahmins of TN who observe politics, it might seem like #drav is built on some ideology. On some solid ground. But observe closely.
They often say " 'திராவிடம்' என்பது ஒரு கருத்தியல். 'ஆரியம்' என்ற கருத்தியலுக்கான எதிர் கருத்தியல், எதிர்சொல்.
ஆரியம் = பார்ப்பனீயம் = பிறப்பிலேயே மனிதர்களை பிரிக்கும் வர்ணாசிரம கொள்கை + பெண் அடிமைத்தனம் தான் ஆரியம். பிறப்பில் அனைவரும் சமம், 'பிறப்பொக்கும் எல்லா உயிர்க்கும்' என்பது தான் திராவிடம். அனைவருக்கும் அனைத்தும் என்பது தான் சமூக நீதி, அது தான் திராவிடம்".
( "Dravidian movt is built on the ideology of Dravidianism, which is defined simply as the counter to Aryanism, which is the same as Brahminism. Dividing people at birth via varnashrama dharma + enslavement of women is aryanism. Saying everyone is equal + emancipation of women is dravidianism)
This is the ideology. The intellectual foundation of #drav. As you can see, they don't say "Im saying this. Im this."
They say "Im the opposite of whatever you say. HE SAYS X. And my ideology is 'anti-X' ".
They define themselves as the negative and counter of something they impress upon the crowd that the other person is saying.
So, the "other" is necessary for #drav act. The "other" is Brahmins, Brahminism, caste system, Aryanism, Hindutva, all put together. This is not really an ideology or an 'intellectual foundation'.
"Im the opposite of whatever you are" is not really an intellectual stand. It might seem solid, but that's because of lemuria. The unquestioning hordes of monkeys.
So, BJP thinks that its a matter of replacing the bad guy A with the good guy B, in TN. But I know, and tamil criminals know that A = B.
Neither A nor B have intellectual foundations. What is Senior Journalist Mani scared about?
"திராவிடம் விழுந்துவிட்டால் சாதி உள்ளே நுழைந்து விடும்" is an oft-repeated quote.
("If #drav falls, 'caste' will enter in again")
You can't appreciate this from the human world and human intellect. You have to enter the lemurian world, lemurian emotions and lemurian sense of things.
Is there no 'caste' now? Will caste come in only if #drav falls? Isn't it absurd? They will say "no no, things will become very very bad, like the old times. We put it in check. It is so much better now."
But, that "very very bad" of the old times was made so by the same vellala, chettiar, balija dogs who built Dravidian Movment! (+maravars, maybe)
They brought down their own casteism because they needed the service of the lower castes for their political movement. They needed labor. They realized that their old privilege and dominance was going to go. The people who had kept caste rigid for centuries, were the folks who built #drav, which says "all are equal at birth".
So, they took their own castesim several notches down. They made a show of fighting the "other", which was basically their own creation. The crowd doesn't ask. Because there is no incentive for saying the truth, and there are incentives for playing along the distorted, parallel reality of #drav.
So, now, when they warn, "if #drav falls, caste will come in", what do they mean? Its a warning to tamils. They say "If you discard the #drav movt that I built, I will drop my 'caste annihilation' drama, and become extremely casteist, like I was, in the old times".
A=B.
The police is the thief.
Senior Journalist Mani. Is he a mudaliar himself?
"என்னோட அரசியலை தூக்கி போட்டனா மறுபடியும் பழைய மாதிரி உன்னை மிதிக்க ஆரம்பிப்பேன்" னு தமிழர்களை மிரட்டுறானா?
What does it mean to say "TN will be saffronized?" Is there no casteism now? Will it go up? Who will be the cause of it? Hindutva/RSS/BJP? Or the goundans, pallis, saanans, who patronize them today? Or, will the mudaliars, agamudayars, chettiars, vellalas who ran #drav and DMK, become more casteist themselves, and then say "See. After these guys came, TN became more casteist. இதோ பார், நானே எவ்ளோ மோசமான சாதி வெறியனா மாறிட்டேன் பாரு, SLAAAAAAPPPP!!"??
சாதி வெறியையும் காமிச்சுக்கிட்டாச்சு, பாஜக வந்து தான் சாதியம் அதிகமாச்சுன்னும் சொல்லியாச்சு. Look at the beauty. The overall statement would be true. There was no/less casteism when #drav was there. TN became casteist again after it fell. Parpaneeyam, won. It was 2000 yrs old, after all. The teeny weeny detail that remains untold is. The very same guys who made the casteist society so, were the ones who held their casteism in suspension, during #drav. Whether it be elites, or the ones below them. A=B. A/B is weighing the pros and cons of being A/B according to the situation of the day. If there is market for the bad guy, he remains the bad guy, as A. If the tamil criminals start murmering too much about how bad A is, they discard the moustache and lungi, and put on khaki knickers and become sanghis/hindus-who-abhor #drav.
So, where does an "other" come in? It is a matter of your own casteism, Mr. Mani? Nobody is forcing or encouraging you to be casteist. Your own goundans and Nadars and Konars flocked to BJP. These same old shameless dogs kept #drav alive. Why do you never ever ever look at yourself, and blame your own guys for what they did?
Tamils are very smart this way. They pour hate on Brahmins/Hindutva/RSS for their own actions. You can refer to my previous post. This 'framing' of Brahmins, and raining down hate on them has been going on in TN in many many different forms for one hundred years. The post about 'anaithu sadhi archagar' (all-caste-priesthood) in this blog, is a good case study.
Leave alone the future hindutva in TN. The current and past hindutva itself has no great intellectual foundations. A few brahmins defending Mansusmriti or varnashrama doesnt keep caste system alive, nor did that create it. You are only exposing your own intellectual dishonesty by stating brahmins defending caste/manu/varna as the reason why casteism is rampant. So, in reality, you don't want to destroy/limit casteism, but only want to nitpick and corner Brahmins. This doesn't happen anywhere else in India in the way/scale/intensity it has been happening in TN.
Saying "if saffron comes into TN, it will become casteist and violent and regressive" is basically a casteist senior journalist Mani's warning to tamil people "We mudaliar/vellala/upper caste created #drav movt. We get gratification from seeing that our sociopolitical worldview is the basis for all politics in TN. Left or right. If you destroy my political worldview, I will punish you with my casteism. The casteism that my politics was opposing as actually from me only. I fought against the Brahmins for my own casteism. Yes. It was pure hate. If you end my politics, I will direct that hate at you."
A=B.
I just want to bring out this fact. A becoming B might end the brahmin hate, and that's what most brhamins in TN want, too, but the worst is already over. I want my revenge. Fuck Hinduism and fuck hindutva, which is basically nothing. India doesn't know tamil demons. I do, and I alone had to endure its hate. This is a fight for Brahmins of TN alone. They might have to antagonize BJP/RSS too, because tamils are jumping there, and Hindutva too needs popular support. If hindutva/India had to choose between losing Tamils and Tamilnadu to Christianity/China/Islam or other powers, and sympathising with tambrahm cause, which one do you think they will choose?
As the for the Hindutva being empty part. Maybe being empty is a good thing. J Krishnamurti said that truth is a pathless land and that organized religion is a crime. Many other thinkers have said that. Maybe its good this way. Also, I feel that parts of intellectual abstractions do exist in Indian thought.. Its just that those parts have not been sewn together into one large fabric, like #drav has done, in TN. #drav was smaller, and static, and engineered for lemurs. Hindutva might be more complex. Most of the content for #drav comes, after all, from general, public topics, which are contained in those parts. India has the parts. It needs to develop them, and stitch them together. Or, see the parts, and envision the whole, but refrain from stitching it into a whole. Let it be vague. If you define it, it becomes dumb and static like #drav.
A quote from that podcast about Hindutva (link above).
"The problem that hindutva faced was - How do you sell hinduism to hindus"?
Will try to read up more about the non-entity called 'Hindutva' and write about it, if I can. Hindutva reminds me of Ajativada.
"there is no creation, no jivas in it, no gods, no maya, no samsara, no liberation, no bondage. Its all false" 😂😄😆😏😂😂😂😂😅
உங்க கிட்ட போய் கேட்டேனே, என் புத்திய செருப்பால அடிக்கணும்.
If tamil criminals are going to change the 'frame', we need to isolate it, chronicle and connect their past, and hold them responsible for it.
I have been saying this in twitter for long, and I say it here too. Some things do not and have not and can not happen anywhere other than Tamil Nadu. Tamil demons in general, and Chettiar/Mudaliar/Pillai in particular, are demoniac, and inherently hateful and malicious like no other peoples on earth. This is a phenomenon unique to tamils.
There are lobbies of all castes everywhere, in all parties. The brahmin lobby in TN BJP is not the only one, nor the most powerful one. But the *way* he speaks, and slights and mocks in brahmin slang, and the suggests...this is unique to tamils.
"ava" means "them" in brahmin tamil and Chettiar/Vellalar have speaking of brahmins *in this manner*...this might seem like an ideological warfare its not. Its low level. It would be scorned in a civilized society, yet this is mainstream in Tamil Nadu...Chettiar/Vellalar have been painstakingly, meticulously, systematically feeding this Brahmin hate to the tamil psyche for one hundred plus years. And this "ava" slight has been popularized by them. The Brahmin hate of lay tamil people is from Nattukottai Chettiar, Mudaliar and Vellalar.
This is much much more than politcs or social. This is pure hate and malice without reason or end. The manner in which it is done by this person, as well as in public media by tamils in general, speaks volumes about the tamils as a people. Annamalai's caste, Kongu Vellala Goundars, like all other tamils, played a role in it too. All tamils participated in Brahmin hate. This is beyond BJP or Congress or ADMK or DMK. All else in TN is built upon a substrate. India or BJP doesnt know this. I think Congress doesn't care. Tamil Nadu Congress has always been a Dravidian Party except for a few decades of the first half of 20th century.
He mockingly says Brahmins control everything in BJP, and even though Annamalai and L. Murugan have been given posts, they control everything, and they make these non-brahmins receive fire from the public, while they sit cozily in the background. The same was said even during an ex-pres, Tamizhisai's time.
Ironically, this statement "Brahmins send tamilisai to bear public outrage" was repeated many more times than the actual outrage on tamilisai.
BJP cadre all have roots in Dravidian Movement. They are acting to India and RSS, who don't know about Tamilnadu and Tamil people.
Those people in RW in TN, who are making show of opposing Dravidian movement, they are hand in glove with the Brahmin hate of the other group. Their brethren in #drav side. Normally, there is left and right everywhere, and it is not possible to say one caste is on one side only, though we could say so about dominance, in a certain time frame.
Say thakurs or kurmis are in both left and right. But thakurs on left wouldn't accuse kurmis of causing the ruin of the entire peoples of the state. In other places, the fight is political. Caste fights that become political will be political, and impersonal. They don't take that ugly form within the political stage, and they are not 1/10th as ugly within the caste stage itself, as they are in TN.
In tamil, the public political stage is filled with such venom-laced hate which is deeply personal and visceral. Tamils are a vile, demoniac horde.
The name of the show is "இங்கே அரசியல் பேசவும்" (You *must/can* talk politics here). There is a graphics of a board with this message that stands in front of a tea-shop that you can see in every street in TN.
I think the anchor/producers of the show probably got the idea from Ve. Mathimaran who used to say that he had set up a tea-shop in chennai in the 90's, and put such a board in front of his shop. Part of his speech deals exclusively with systematic Brahmin hate, and propaganda about Periyar, DMK, Karunanidhi and Dravidian Movement itself.
Want to know the castes of Ve. Mathimaran and Nakkeeran Gopal. Saw somewhere that gopal was nadar, but not confirmed. I have a doubt mathimaran could be vellala, may even be grandson of kuthoosi gurusami?
ஏண்டா நக்கீர நாயே உங்க நகரத்தார்-வெள்ளாளர் (திராவிட) இயக்கம் "நாங்கள் 'பிராமணர்கள்' னு சொல்ல மாட்டோம், 'பார்ப்பனர்கள்' னு தான் சொல்லுவோம்"னு சொல்லுவானே, உனக்கு தெரியாதா?
The vellalas, Nadars, Konars, Vanniyars, Mudaliar geniuses like Madan Ravichandran, claim, or want us to believe that they are opposing Nagarathar-Vellalar (Dravidian) movement in order to distance themselves from it. That is a well of malice and hate that is ugly. As more and more people get a glimpse of it, as the newer generations see what kind of monkey games have been played in lemuria for a century, it is becoming more and more embarrassing. Maybe JeMo is spinning his own local, tamilized, ilakkiyamayamakkappatta 'Breaking India' bullshit.
Somebody pls tell @zeneraalstuff and others on Twitter. JeMo is a vellala, and the vellala, and tamils in general, are burying their history.
I got blocked from twitter for speaking too many truths. I don't know if its permanent. Sethu poi melendhu pakura madhiri iruku. Ellam theriyudhu, aana intervene panni pesa mudiyala 😢
No probs. Twitter was never on my main plan. Its good in a way. Twitter sucked too much of my time and energy. I wouldn't have minded repeating many things many many more times there, but that alone won't do. It had only a limited role to play. Ellam nanmaikkey nu nenachukkanum...
Savukku Sankar is a vile son of ******* who spews venom on Brahmins continuously, but this vid was good.
Life is indeed cruel for a lot of people, and they show their frustrations back on various sections of the society. New respect for savukku. Kishore Swamy must learn from this.
