I Have Been Banned on Tamilbrahmins.com

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The Brahmins of Tamil Country are not an especially bright lot. Besides, they are surrounded by a non-human, demoniac hate and malice, and they are blissfully unaware of it. They do not know what kind of hate has been working against them.

Reading some thread like this பரமக்குடி முதல் பாடசாலை வரை about the Cheran Mahadevi gurukulam incident just makes my heart heavy like nothing else. The replies by the account named 'nara'. This could very well be a vellala, or a balija naidu too. Just look at the arguments. Periyar, and Perumal Varadarajulu Naidu were Balija Naidus.

• Just 2 students requesting interdining is a weak excuse it seems. He says VVS Iyer wanted to harbor caste divisions, deep in his heart.
• Gurukul was built with money of non-brahmins.

Ok. Why did the balija nai say that the cooks have to be brahmin? Because, in those days, the upper caste dogs of tamil country got Brahmins to cook for them to protect semblance of their own 'purity'. Even the vellala dog VOC Pillai requested for a Brahmin cook while he was in jail. Wasn't this casteist?

If "only 2 students" argument is irrelevant, interdining happened in no other places in TN too! If they really cared, why didn't they oppose these practices in all those places? Of course, theirs is a hate without purpose, without end. They will say "the segregation in all other places derives inspiration from here".

If non-brahmins funded it, didn't they know what it was going to be on the inside? The Nattukottai Chettiar dogs funded the gurukul, and they are also the key creators one hundred years of demoniac hate against Brahmins. They have literally been knocking tamils' doors, waking them up, and feeding them vitriol of Brahmin hate. They have been putting up stages, and talking about brahmins, and feeding hate. They have been doing this non-stop for one hundred years. Tamil Nadu is unlike any other place in the whole world. Tamils in general, and Chettiar-Mudaliar-Pillai in particular, is unique in the whole world. The most hateful, malicious, and vindictive demons on earth.

Yes it was non-brahmins who funded the gurukul. So, would they not have known about the practises inside? It was the same as the practice elsewhere, in the society. Why did Periyar & co target only that gurukul? Because the issue itself is irrelevant. They had, and do have a seething hate against Brahmins. They could have made an issue out of anything. But look at 'Nara's arguments, that too on Tamilbrahmins.com!!!

I believe Chettiar-Mudaliar-Pillai is at work in TB.com too.

Nagarathar-Vellalar (Dravidian) Narratives About All-Caste-Priesthood #1

I keep telling Brahmtards of tamil country not to blindly defend agama, tradition, temple, hinduism. That doesn't mean I'm asking them to throw all that out. That just means that I'm saying as long as you think and see only through those lenses, you will miss out 99% of the ground realities and malice of nagarathar-vellalar (Dravidian) movement. And to think that this is but one small chapter in the 100 + years of brahmin hate that chettiar + mudaliar + pillai have built in tamil country, which rages till today.

Kindly read this post - > A Primer on the Anaithu Sadhiyinarum Archagar (All-Caste Priesthood) Issue of Dravidian Movement for the full story.

Watch this clip. This is a very small example of the hate and venom directed against Brahmins in context of temple priesthood.

The people who say "but tamils are deeply devoted hindus" or "tamils have great respect for brahmins" are either trying to mask the full pumpkin in a small mound of rice, or blind as hell.

Who denied entry to lower castes into temples?

She/they say Brahmins did it.

Truth was that the dominant/elite groups did it. Justice Party came to power in 1921. Periyar's Self Respect Movt came in 1925/26, but temple entry of nadars and dalits happened only in 1939.

Who wrote the agamas/shastras?

She says Brahmins wrote it themselves. Might be true of the agamas and scriptures of India, but not true in Tamil Country. The tamil, and the vellala/chettiar are unique territory. We cannot understand this from ordinary human, or Indian standpoint. These are demons. This is non-human malice.

The agamas of tamil country were written by the vellalas. They are a fork between indigenous tamil, and Indian/sanskriti texts. That's what the Brahmtards like Subramoron Swamy and Rangaraj Pandey fail to see. Kudaneeratru is a completely tamil tradition. The nagarathar-vellala dogs themselves sanskritized it to 'kumbabhishegam', and poured hate on the Brahmins for ruining their culture. This kudamuzhukku is supposed to have sanction of agamas. How's that possible?

The vellalas say agamas say that Brahmins cannot enter their temples/mutts. How is this possible if Brahmins wrote the agamas?

Tamil is the only area where "an idol is defiled if it is touched by somebody other than the person prescribed by the agama". This is an actual thing. This is the reason why Namboodiris lost the Adhithya (supra) case. There was no malice there. A world of malice exists in tamil country. I don't know how the legal and political geniuses didn't check this line. In the rest of the country, anybody can touch the idol. But not so in tamil temples. How? Why?

The agamas of the tamil/vellala/nagarathar dogs are unique. They are not the same as the agamas of the rest of the country. But see how those same nagarathar-vellalar dogs put the blame of agamas on Brahmins, and see how those Brahmtards defend those agamas too, without even knowing what it means.

Next clip.

1. She says HRCE was formed by Justice Party to safeguard the temples and mutts from Brahmins, as they used to eat away all the properties.

That's wrong. Since 1863, the trustee is in-charge of all affairs of religious/charitable endowments, and none of the trustees are Brahmins. The Dikshitars are nominal trustees of Chidambaram temple and they don't have rights over fund management.

The HRCE laws and the all-caste priesthood laws too, were created to *CREATE THIS ILLUSION*. That tamils needed to be saved from the Brahmins. They served only to vilify the Brahmins and enable hate and such accusations against them.

2. She says DMK fought against the HRCE Act of 1959 which strengthened the 'customs, codes and conventions', i.e., by their narrative, Brahmin priesthood and their hold on temples.

But then, in 1959, Periyar was supporting TN Congress, which brought that law. Why didn't Periyar try to stop this then? Did he voice out? Were the Chettiar/Mudaliar/Pillai/Reddiar in TN Congress unyielding to Periyar at that time?

Why are the Chettiar/Mudaliar/Pillai in DMK supporting it now? What's going on? 1970 was the time when DMK changed hands from these upper shudras to the lower shudras. Those were represented by Karunanidhi, who brought this change. Did the upper shudras resist it for as long as they could, but quickly jumped over *after the change was brought* and spoke non-stop in its favor, afterwards, and praising Karunanidhi, *after he brought it*? Yes, that's the truth. They resisted it for as long as they could. Then, when it was achieved by the lower groups, they touted it as the success of the Dravidian Movement, and named the resistance of so long as 'Brahmanical force'. They are themselves that Brahmanical force. The lower castes don't bother correcting because there is nothing in it for them.

Also, Karunanidhi's 1970 amendment only tried to attack hereditary appointments. The trustee was the final authority for all temple matters. DMK did not even have to bring a law. They just needed to ask the trustees. The trustees also happened to be Chettiar-Mudaliar-Nayakar.

But, attacking hereditary appointments ≠ attacking Brahmin priesthood, but thats what they have been saying.

Why is there a huge mismatch between what they profess they want to achieve, and what they actually do in order to achieve. If you want to do away with Brahmin priests, you must simply tell the trustee chettiar-mudaliar, or clarify about the agamas, or legislate clearer, forceful laws.

They will say "In that time, Brahminism was very strong. We could not attack it. We have attacked Brahminism for long, so it has finally been weakened only today."

This is like saying "the crocodile was so strong for 50 yrs. It's a 2000 yr old crocodile. The man won over the crocodile only today."

They are on both sides. Agama and Dravidian Movement. They are not winning over Brahminism. They are loosening their own rules. Probably because they need more popular support. This means that another band of the centuries old privilege of the tamil elites has dried up and they are this desperate.

If an non-tamil brought a law, it would have been more clearer. DMK's 1970 amendment was a sham, publicity for the 1971 assembly elections. They never meant to remove Brahmin priesthood. It was just for spiting Brahmins. 

3. She gives out an important piece of detail. The group that had filed the 1971 Seshammal case against DMK's 1970 amendment was comprised of 2 mutt heads, and 10 archakars (priests).

 I didn't know this, but had roughly guessed it. Thanks #drav for making my eyes and ears and brain sharper.

The Chettiar-Mudaliar-Pillai (Dravidian) Movement had been saying for 50 years that Brahmin fellows filed a case against DMK. Turns out its not exactly that way. 'Mutt heads and archakars' doesn't necessarily need to be Brahmins. In fact, my guess is that they were all saiva vellalas. But if some retards like Subramanian Swamy puts his head inside deliberately, fapping to 'hindu dharma/religion/tradition', etc, I don't know what to say.

That's why I emphasize on the wordings of DMK's amendments, to show that didn't have intent at all.

4. The court's judgement in 1972 Seshammal was that doing away with hereditary appointments was alright, but that new appointments must not violate agamas.

Same point as above. Attacking hereditary appointments ≠ attacking Brahmin priesthood. Didn't you know this even in 1970? Brahmin priesthood is not restricted or hindered by abolition of hereditary principle. This is evident even to a 10th standard guy.

DMK's 2006 amendment is the same story, and in that case too, it was not Brahmins who filed cases in court. 'Adi Saiva Sivachariar Nala Sangam' did it, and they are not Brahmins.

The problem is that neither the folks in those courts, nor the Brahmtards of tamil country know and see the narrative that Nagarathar-Vellalar (Dravidian) Movement built on the ground. This is purely an exercise for Brahmin hate and political mileage. And in tamil country, that political mileage is not different from the Brahmin hate. It is the political mileage that is gained from Brahmin hate. Yes, that is the intensity of Brahmin hate of tamil country.

Final point. Those 'Brahmins' inside the tamil temples that they have been talking about for a century, they are not 'Brahmins' at all, right from the beginning. They belong to a sect called 'Adi Saiva Sivachariar', and ASS are not Brahmins! They are saiva vellalas!

And those demons are the key source of the 100 yr old Brahmin hate in tamil country. This whole exercise was useless, but what is that 'exercise', in the eyes of the court?

The court probably only saw two parties fight against each other. One, wanting to make some changes to temples, and the other, defending the temples from it. The court probably saw the trustees and conservative, casteist devotees as defending themselves from the attack of the Dravidian Movement. Even Brahmtards see it that way. But in truth, they are both the same group. They are like Sathyavel Murugan and Pillai Rajavel, who claims to oppose this.

The court doesn't see the full picture because the court doesn't see and understand the narrative on the ground. Dravidian Movement took the case to court just in order to add legitimacy to its narrative on the ground. They used the court as a character in their play, to tell the people "See, we went to the court, fought so hard, and then won".

Very Nice Mr. RCI

 

I won't be the fool ruining the convos you groom because you are the fool. I knew for long that this was a 'Breaking India'tard. (Check out my small attempt at dismantling Rajiv Malhotra here-> https://thethiravidiantruth.blogspot.com/2021/08/moron-smriti-of-rajiv-malhotra-should.html?m=1).

Do you know what's the sign of a mediocre/inferior mind?

It somehow arrives at some own or borrowed conclusions, and then refuses to change. In the face of counter arguments and proofs, it uses those proofs/args *to simply re-arrive at its existing conclusions*. An inability to see and absorb new things, and to fit them into your existing worldview.

I used to say many times that real anti-hindu, non-hindu breaking india forces do exist, but that they are not the causative agent of Dravidian movement, not it's momentum-giver. If you don't understand Dravidian movement, you won't understand those real Breaking-India forces as well.

I don't know know if Rajiv Malhotra was compromised to begin with, whether he was approached by vellala mafia to come with such a cover-up. Looking at his closeness with Nithyananda Pillai, I'm strongly inclined to think that's the case. I don't know if it's that or he's just the original fool. He doesn't even know tamil, for god's sake.

Opposing for the wrong reason = Supporting

Supporting for the wrong reason = Opposing

Opposing Dravidian Movement saying it's anti hindu = Supporting

Opposing all-caste priesthood because it is against agamas or religion or Brahmins = Supporting

Dravidian movement is simple. It was commissioned by the British and it started out as a force to quell the already weak freedom struggle of Brahmins in Congress.

Brahmin hate was already festering within vellala/Chettiar/balija quarters for a couple of decades so they gladly complied.

To understand their games, you have to understand nagarathar-vellalar mindset. That is the Dravidian mindset and worldview. That is what makes 'politics', which happens everywhere, into 'dravidian politics'. A thin layer. The other castes play along because it is a big legacy, and because it doesn't harm their power/benefit equation in any way.

Except for Brahmins of Tamil Country, nobody has the need or incentive to oppose Dravidian movement fully.

The anti-hindu trick of Chettiar-mudaliar-pillai (Dravidian) movement is ...

They are fully into this 'caste annihilation/equality' mode. So they supposedly oppose Hinduism inasmuch as it causes casteism and inequality. But how did they conclude that casteism sprung out of Hinduism? Neither Hinduism nor casteism exist independent of us. We are all Hindus. We are all caste system. It's not an external thing. But they externalize it. Why do you not attack that base? Thats where the game is. Chettiar-Mudaliar-Pillai 

They equate Hinduism with brahminism with caste system. They say we are casteist because we are Hindus and that that Hinduism or casteism is just simply that of the Brahmins.

So, that opposition to Hinduism is a non-issue. They equate Hinduism with caste system/varnashrama with brahminism, and oppose it. It's basically just a defiance of brahmin superiority. But by constantly opposing it, they actually reinforce it, and that's the game too. They need brahminism, but on their terms. This is the key. And if we have any sense of shame, we refuse, not patch up, like you have been trying to do. The equation of Tamils/nagarathar-vellalar  with Brahmins is never going to be the same ever again. They have spewed non-human levels of hate and malice for a hundred years and they have to reap what they sowed.

They need brahminism but brahmin hate as well. This is the Nagarathar-Vellalar (Dravidian) psychology. Brahminism was the substrate of many centuries. It was always there, even during the last 100 yrs. ஆத்திகவாதி.

The Brahmin hate part of #drav side, நாத்திகவாதி, was a development in last century. This side emerged to spew the hate of the other devout Hindu Chettiar/mudaliar/Pillai. ஆத்திகவாதி வெளிப்படுத்த முடியாத வெறுப்பை கருப்பு சட்டை போட்டுக்கிட்டு நாத்திகம் பேசுற மாதிரி உமிழ்வான். உண்மையில் அந்த குழு கடுவுளுக்கு, இந்து மதத்துக்கு, ஏன் பார்ப்பனர்களுக்குமே கூட எதிரானவன் இல்ல. அந்த பக்கம் தங்க ஆட்கள் தின்று கொண்டிருக்கும் பார்ப்பனீயத்தை தட்டி விட மாட்டான்‌. அந்த பார்ப்பன வெறுப்பை மட்டும் கொட்டி தீர்த்துப்பான், தமிழர்களை கொட்டி தீர்க்க வைத்தான்.

It's a non-issue. The reason why they keep saying "there is no hinduism/india" is...they want that 'hinduism'...all of it, but without the label alone. They have been imbibing it. The names of the aadhenams begin with "Thiru kailaya parambarai...". What's the problem with the label?

If they accept the 'hindu' label, they have to accept the superiority of Brahmins. Thats the sole problem. (Saivam/vainavam of the vellala soothra kuttis) minus (Hinduism) = (acceptance of brahmin superiority).

They had been ok with it for centuries. Why suddenly some problem? 

The were ok with it as long as they had great privilege in tamil society. The supposed superiority of Brahmins didn't prick their eyes. But once they began losing privilege, which belonged to the feudal/agricultural times, the supposed superiority of Brahmins began to prick their eyes. 

You need to understand vellala mindset. Chettiars can be seen as part of vellala subculture. Same attitudes.

When they say "we don't want Hinduism", they mean they want everything without the name because that would mean they accept superiority of Brahmins.

Saying "Hinduism is a colonial creation" is not to uproot from Hinduism and plant in Christianity, but to keep all that is in Hinduism without losing a drop, but becoming the topmost social group, using the local martial groups as validators. Maravar/kallar/udayar/agamudayar/goundar etc. That is not guaranteed, but that will definitely be a step towards legitimising vellala supremacy.

And neither is Stalin a vellala not are priests in tamil temples Brahmins. The vellala name for Thevar adiya caste was like some people calling fish as கடல் வாழக்காய் (sea banana). It's not an actual vellala. And the existing priests in tamil temples who are thought to be Brahmins are actually Saiva vellala sootha kuttis. Read my primer.

The existing priests are already Vellalas only but it doesn't contribute to vellala supremacy. They need to wear the cloak of 'brahmin' to get the prestige and it's not prestige for vellala tag. Saying "we are not hindus, we are Saiva/vainavam" is a wish for that. Who do you think will be the top social group in those sects? Them.

The LTTE never probably demanded for a separate state. Of what use what a separate state to them? The demand for eelam came from the Jaffna Vellalas. Vaddukoddai Resolution. Do you know why they asked this?

The Social Disabilities Act of SL govt limited vellala casteism. They wanted to have a free hand in oppressing the lower castes. Thats why they spoke and speak about federalism and secession. 

TN nagarathar+vellalar spoke about caste eradication for a hundred years. But their whole worldview of caste eradication was just brahmin Hate. In truth, they are the most casteist of all. Factually, literally. They created no social justice. That happened by itself. They only cooked up an imagined social injustice and have been at it for a century.

The reason why they speak of regionalism/federalism and discarding 'hindu' identity is because the umbrella socio-political-religious identities empower the lower groups. This is their angst towards 'corporate' too. Modernism, corporate, unified entities are great levelers. Vellala supremacy needs local validators. They want a free hand in suppressing social mobility of lower groups. They have probably figured out a way to maneuver the dominant non-elite feudal groups, the kanganis.

The following are excerpts from Susan Bayly's book 'Saints, Goddesses and Kings...'.

The keyword here is "reallocate tokens of rank and precedence..."

Understand the vellala mindset. Without doing that, you won't understand Dravidian movt/propaganda.

The Sinhala Word for 'Religion' is...

 AGAMA???!!!

What the FUCK!!

Phew! Gotta dig into this now.